it's not just merrill newman. we have kenneth bay who has been a prisoner now for months in north korea. he has been held there for more than a year. is it more or less likely we will be able to get these guys out? >> i think that's a great question, and the reason is that a very highly charged atmosphere, nobody wants to make a mistake. so the safe thing to do is the to do nothing. i think kenneth bay and merle newman will be held for much longer than they otherwise would have been. >> what game are the north korean's playing? trying to get more concessions from the united states, more aid? >> sure. they would love more aid. you know, they would like some other things from us as well. but i think at the end of the day, this is sort of dropped into their lap. they've got to do something about it. it comes at a bad time for both of those guys. so i think that essentially, this is sort part coincidence, but, also, you know, now that they are there, they are going to milly this to the max. >> for both of these men an